In this powerful episode, I sit down with Pastor Chris Mathebula — a man whose journey from street child to national leader is nothing short of miraculous.

Forced to survive on the streets from a young age, Pastor Chris’s life was marked by hardship, rejection, and extreme poverty. But it was also shaped by a divine calling that would transform his story — and impact the lives of countless others.

Together, we explore his journey of redemption, his heart for racial healing in South Africa, the crisis of fatherlessness, and the urgent need for men to take responsibility. Chris challenges the culture of entitlement and shares why true nation-building starts when we stop demanding our rights and start living as devoted citizens — with purpose, integrity, and service.

“You can’t be a good Christian and a bad citizen.” — Pastor Chris Mathebula